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Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.04.19 08:02:00 -
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I once refunded a billion ISK ransom from a Legion pod because after he paid I said "let him go" and a fleet mate heard "light him up" apparently. I suppose more accurately the trigger happy fleet member who wasn't paying attention refunded the 1 bil ransom. The Legion pilot was still out his high-grade slave pod but at least it wasn't the pod + 1 billion.
I also refunded 550 mil from a Tempest Fleet Issue that paid my fleet to live and although we did let him go he wasn't able to warp before the rats finished him. Technically I might have been able to argue that we did let him go and rats killed him or that he should have been aligned so I wasn't at fault. But the payment was for survival and my reputation is worth more than 550 million.
If I'm not prepared to let you go for what you offer to pay I will say so and won't take your money, just your ship and I'm more likely to ransom a pod than a ship because pods can not be looted. Reputation is everything and all I'm worried about is that people know they can believe any promise I offer which comes in very handy when you occasionally fleet up with reds to fight a common enemy. It pays to be able to have each fleet trust the other not to turn on them the second the common enemy is dead, lack of trust weakens the co-operation and jeopardizes the chances the op will succeed. Even if you don't really like the group you are red to and fleeting with then for the duration of the op there is one commandment: Thou shalt swallow thy animosity. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.04.20 04:10:00 -
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Tarojan wrote:That logic only applies when you think/know people will remember you. Whereas I commonly deal with people who had ransoms not honoured and dont trust them. Also the chances of me meeting the same guy twice are slim, so the incentive to honour a ransom really isnt there. It makes more sense to take the ransom then blow him away and loot the wreck, then to play at e honour. Its not like I lose out by doing so. I will only make an exception to this if theres a genuine need to leave them alive, otherwise what can I hope to gain? some warm fuzzy feelings?
I'm not only concerned about myself here, screwing someone over on a paid ransom or killing a fleet mate after the common target is down reflects poorly on my corp and alliance as well. So if you want to take the full on self-interest route then it's non-emotional and very simple. I want to stay in my corp and my corp insists that ransoms/temp blue status is honored. Therefore I follow the rules to stay in corp. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages
Shadow Cartel
231
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Posted - 2014.04.20 21:09:00 -
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Oshia Launay wrote:Maybe it was different years ago, but your average player/corps/alliance that call themselves pirates seem to be nothing but gankers looking to pad their killmails with easy no-risk kills at lowsec gate camps. No code, no honour.
This is exactly the kind of behavior to be expected from EVERYONE in EVE. If you expect different then you have not yet figured out the mentality it takes to play this game. Security status is a reflection of how aggressive you are at starting fights in low sec and how little ratting you do (not even that so much anymore) and literally nothing else. It's not as if null sec gate camping isn't a thing, you just don't lose sec status for it and other than bubbles there is literally no difference between the two. I even gave you the reason why I ransom pods more than ships and it should make perfect sense. I want killboard stats and I want your ship loot, pods are worth very little on a killboard and anything in it can't be looted, so often I would prefer a payout to some paltry stats and no loot.
I always chuckle a bit whenever someone refuses to pay on the basis that my sec status makes me untrustworthy, as if being an outlaw makes you untrustworthy. At least pirate players trust each other, as I pointed out earlier I fleet with reds sometimes and they trust me not to take advantage of them making themselves vulnerable to me and I trust them to do the same even though we would be fighting at any other time. Think about business men either in game or real life. They don't trust each other at all, they assume that the other guy is trying to screw them over from day one making their primary goal to screw the other guy over a little bit faster and a little bit harder to increase his own bottom line. In EVE and IRL these people are your real slime and they operate within the bounds of the law.
Pirates may want your ship and killmail, many EVE players want your assets tab.
A mugger may want your wallet, a business man wants your house. |
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